Background
Before there was a lab, there was a reputation.
PositiveEnergyMatters wasn’t originally known as a peptide seller, he came to people’s attention because he was constantly being attacked as he “always had some points to fight” He gave the impression of caring about things and for some early supporters, that was exactly what drew them in.
Others entered through different routes. One member said he’d been looking for US-based peptide sources when PositiveEnergyMatters messaged him on Reddit, invited him into the community and introduced him to a website that acted like a search engine for finding the best prices.
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Then he began telling people about his plan to open a domestic lab and asked for help recruiting members. The pitch wasn’t just about selling cheaper peptides. It was about providing quality, tested products. He promised that every product he made would be tested.
The project slowly became more than a chat.
There were websites, price tools, product ideas and a growing community around the promise of a better domestic option. He was described as technically minded, with a background in tech, drones, ATM-related business, banking systems and IT. He also had a habit of building websites, which helped give the project a more developed feel than a typical peptide group.
His own backstory added to the appeal. He claimed to have travelled widely, been involved in several business ventures and become interested in peptides after feeling that the medical system had failed his family.
It was a compelling origin story.
The project also had novelty. One idea that generated attention was his use of pre-filled lyophilized cartridges rather than standard peptide vials. The concept was unusual enough to draw discussion on Reddit and in peptide chats, where he defended the product by saying he knew it was real because he was “sitting in the lab.”
For a while, that difference was enough. PositiveEnergyMatters believed the peptide market had become stagnant. Vendors copied one another. The same products moved through different suppliers and appeared under different labels. Everyone was selling variations of the same thing. He wanted to build something different. Not a reseller. Not a warehouse, but a domestic manufacturing operation.
The plan was ambitious, but it essentially involved the community funding his lab in exchange for peptides. He promised that every product he made would be tested and this was the foundation of trust that the group was built on.
The Lab Set Up
PositiveEnergyMatters described a purpose-built laboratory featuring positive-pressure airflow, HEPA filtration, ISO-classified workspaces, laminar-flow hoods, lyophilisation equipment and in-house production capabilities. He described the facility, which is an ADU in his backyard, as: “entire lab is iso 7 or iso 6 so always sterile” and claimed that “the heavy work is done under iso 5 hoods”
According to his own descriptions, air entering the facility passed through H13 and H14 filtration systems before being forced into the room under positive pressure. Most work surfaces were described as functioning as ISO 5 environments, while the room itself was said to meet ISO 7 standards and potentially even ISO 6.
As construction progressed, the claims became increasingly ambitious. At one point he announced: “Lab is now officially ISO Level 7” before adding: “Maybe even ISO 6 lab I’d have to run the math.”
For supporters, these updates were exciting. The project appeared to be evolving from a concept into a genuine manufacturing operation.
The AC Unit
The picture below shows the lab being built
Picture below shows the weighing and mixing area
Picture below shows the finished lab
The Market Disruptor
PositiveEnergyMatters ambitions were not modest and he didn’t see the project as a small side business.. At one point he predicted “I think at these prices we will capture all of telegram to be honest”
When discussing competitors, he pointed to established suppliers like BFF and argued that they were succeeding with only a handful of products. From the beginning, he spoke in terms of market share, disruption and scale. The opportunity, in his view, was obvious. Build domestically, ship quickly, keep prices low and take market share. In one conversation, he argued that the formula for success was remarkably simple “You need a coa and a cheap product” followed by “And you’ll capture market if ship from us”
But the business plan was only half the story. The other half was the mindset behind it. In another conversation, he discussed building a large house, describing handling everything from engineering and design to hiring workers, electrical work and plumbing. The reason he gave was revealing “because i wanted to prove i could do it better then anyone else 😉”
He went on to claim the inspector found nothing wrong with the build and even joked that the city had asked him to become an inspector himself.
What emerges from these conversations is a recurring theme. PositiveEnergyMatters consistently approached problems with the belief that existing solutions were inadequate and that he could build something better himself. That attitude explains both why people were drawn to the project and why so many conflicts later emerged around it. The lab would ultimately become the largest test of that philosophy.
His vision extended far beyond cleanrooms. He discussed producing bacteriostatic water, developing proprietary formulations, experimenting with lyophilisation techniques and creating products that could compete directly with established suppliers.
Guaranteed Sterile; The Bac Water Idea.
One idea was producing bacteriostatic water in-house. He outlined what he believed would be required; 1000L sterile water cases, a gallon of benzyl alcohol, a heated stirer, laminar flow good hood and a heat sterilizer. When testing was suggested, his response was revealing saying that he can do in house testing as there is no reason to test besides ph.
The reasoning, as he explained it, was because he intended to use medical-grade benzyl alcohol, sterile water, sterilized Wheaton stoppers and a laminar-flow hood, he believed the final product would effectively validate itself “so its guaranteeds sterile without endo” He went on to argue that the vials were the only component requiring sterilization and that this could be achieved through high heat before filling under laminar flow.
The Testing Fight
Testing was supposed to be the thing that separated the project from the rest of the grey market. It was also where the first serious cracks appeared. As questions grew, PositiveEnergyMatters insisted that he had always been clear about his intentions. He said he planned to use BT Labs, though he also reserved the right to use another lab if he decided someone else was better. He also pushed back against the idea that testing had been promised upfront as his responsibility. “testing was never up front being done by me” According to him, the group buy had always involved members wanting to send products in for testing themselves, even though he still planned to do it. That explanation didn’t satisfy everyone. Members continued asking which lab would be used, whether third-party testing was actually guaranteed, and why the details seemed to keep changing. The exchanges quickly became heated. When one member pointed out that he had said there would be third-party testing, PositiveEnergyMatters responded: “i fucking said I WOULD FUKING THIRD PARTY TEST” But in the same exchange, he also rejected Janoshik outright: “god damn fucking said no fuycking jano” “jano is a fuckings cam”
That created a strange position. He wasn’t refusing testing entirely. He was rejecting certain labs, defending others, and insisting that people had misunderstood what had been promised. Then came one of the most revealing comments in the entire dispute. During an argument over COAs, he said: “i can fucking open up photoshop and make a coa”
The project had attracted people because it promised to move beyond blind trust, but by the time the testing arguments began, many felt they were being asked to return to it.
The Quality Concerns
On top of everything else, there were multiple quality issues with his products. Members reported lack of vacuum in the vials and poor crimp quality, which raised sterility concerns.
One recurring issue involved a batch of Retatrutide that failed to reconstitute properly. Concerns about the product’s appearance and behaviour were met with advice to leave it overnight or even boil it in water. When asked which filler he used, he wouldn’t disclose it, just said that “Claude” had it right.
The King Problem
As disputes over testing, fulfilment and quality concerns intensified, another familiar name began appearing around the project. King. King is a known scammer and I’ve written about him before. His presence immediately raised concerns. King became involved in buying products connected to the project and leaving fake positive reviews. King’s involvement became a major source of tension. The project had originally been built around trust, testing and transparency, but seeing a figure with King’s reputation welcomed into the inner circle raised uncomfortable questions about judgement and priorities. The issue was no longer just the products, it was who was being trusted to help sell them.
The Blend Problem
What began as a manufacturing project gradually became something else. Instead of simply producing the compounds customers had ordered, PositiveEnergyMatters became increasingly focused on developing proprietary formulations and experimental blends. Some members found the ideas interesting, others found them frustrating. Customers who had paid for established products increasingly found themselves being encouraged to switch to newer formulations. For example, members who’d ordered KLOW say they were encouraged to move to a new formulation called SuperKLOW instead. “If we wanted klow he wanted to push super klow.”
SuperKlow was marketed as an upgraded version of the original formula, and it included additional compounds and higher dosages. Members recall being told that it was already proven to work because members of his own family were using it.
The criticism wasn’t necessarily that the new blends were ineffective. In fact, some acknowledged that some of the concepts may have had merit. The problem was that many of these products hadn’t gone through the testing process. As one member explained: “The sad part is we even agreed on some of his stuff but he wanted to push it to us without testing and to replace what we did want.”
The frustration grew because members felt they were being asked to abandon products they’d already paid for in favour of formulations that existed largely because the project’s founder believed they were better. By this stage, the disagreement was no longer about manufacturing. It was about who got to decide what customers received. The customers who paid for the products, or the founder who believed he had created something better.
The Breaking Point
The issue was never that the lab existed, it clearly did, the issue was what they believed they had signed up for didn’t match reality. Members paid money upfront for third party testing, which didn’t materialise and testing plans gradually shifted from testing finished products to testing raw incoming materials only. PositiveEnergyMatters refused to let members send their own vials for testing, insisting he’d use his own.
Finally, Mike, one of his earliest and loudest supporters made an announcement explaining why he had to withdraw his support. He summarised his concerns:
Promises about testing were made, then manipulated and abandoned
Testing funds were collected without the expected results being delivered.
Existing orders were deprioritised in favour of new blends.
Quality concerns were dismissed.
A known bad actor was brought into the inner circle
Transparency and accountability had disappeared.
The irony is that many of these criticisms targeted the very issues that had originally attracted people to the project. The lab had been built on a promise of testing, transparency and doing things better. The problem wasn’t that the vision failed, it was that the project gradually moved away from the principles that created the vision in the first place.
Right of Reply
When contacted for comment, PositiveEnergyMatters rejected the suggestion that the concerns were arising independently and instead argued that critics were attempting to use third parties to create problems for him. He stated that he had little interest in public business activity and described himself as focusing on research for a small number of select individuals. When asked about his background and training, he declined to discuss the internal workings of the lab, stating that they were private.
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