On 7 October, K-Hole welcomed Kaine, who introduced himself as the owner of Guangzhou Lanjie Biotechnology Co., Ltd., also presented as Guangzhou Blue Jay Biological. He described a business with ten years of peptide manufacturing experience, its own synthesis workshop, lyophilisation facilities and quality-control laboratory. According to Kaine, every batch is tested using HPLC and mass spectrometry, with additional testing through Jack Lab and other Chinese laboratories. He also identified competitive pricing as one of the company’s main strengths.
And for a brief moment, it looked like he wasn’t joking.
The $48 Bargain
The original wholesale price list was supplied in Chinese yuan (RMB). Members quickly spotted R30 listed at 320 RMB per kit, which one member converted to approximately $48 USD. Naturally, people were interested.
Kaine explained that the list applied to orders of 100 sets or more. Smaller orders would carry a 40% markup to cover factory costs, and he suggested members could combine their purchases into a group order. One member was already considering organising a group buy. Another had his reservations:
“Am I really gonna buy 100 kits of r30 at 48$ a kit and risk the pure mannitol?”
He immediately answered his own question:
“Yes, I am.”
Then Came the Dollar Price List
Kaine subsequently announced that he would release a USD price list aimed at general consumers. When members compared the new list with the original, they reported that R30 had gone from 320 RMB to $190 per kit. That’s almost four times the original dollar equivalent, an increase of approximately 296%, rather than the 40% markup previously discussed. Kaine also offered a 10% discount on his stated base wholesale price, although he didn’t clearly reconcile the different figures. The reaction was immediate.
“ouch. i liked the pricing before”
“Kaine bring back the RMB original”
“Well, good luck finding customers with those prices”
The member who’d been considering a group buy announced:
“And the idea of group buy is off - Kaine gone crazy lol”
Some wondered whether Kaine had made a currency conversion mistake. Others suggested it was a case of Chinese prices versus international prices.
The Administrative Error
Kaine eventually offered an explanation:
“First, it explains that the administrator made an error in the price list. Second, it is explained that we will gradually arrange product testing so that everyone can see the quality of our products.”
I immediately responded:
“EXcuse me . what error? i posted what you gave me”
Kaine may have been referring to an administrator on his own team, but he didn’t identify the person or explain exactly what had gone wrong. He subsequently asked me to remove the price lists he’d supplied. Members weren’t particularly impressed.
“48usd to 190usd 😂😂😂 You cooked it Kaine. Gg’s”
“went up 300% and offered 10% discount lol”
And Then the COAs Came Under Scrutiny
The pricing wasn’t the only thing members started questioning.
An IGF-1 certificate shared during the introduction showed 77.58% HPLC-UV purity and 13.25 mg net content. More importantly, the document displayed “NO” for identity by MS, while its summary stated that identity was confirmed. That contradiction deserved an explanation. Members also criticised the appearance of the testing documents, with one describing a certificate as:
“a Temu version of FREEDOM COA.”
Separately, someone claimed that JaySauce’s KLOW test results had been posted and deleted. Another member said they had retained a copy. One member was particularly unimpressed:
“Guys gonna hit me with 190$ for a r30 + 40% small order fee and the COA is from his grans kitchen”
Later, another member claimed to have requested COAs from Kaine without receiving any. Kaine’s response was:
“When you need it, I’ll naturally give it to you”
For a supplier claiming every batch was tested, members were understandably keen to see the documentation.
The Million-Dollar Plot Twist 😂
Kaine continued defending his prices:
“Different people offer different prices”
“If you have volume, I have a price advantage”
But exactly how much volume? A member shared a screenshot of a WhatsApp exchange, apparently with Kaine, containing this offer:
If you place an order for 1 million US dollars at once, I can offer you this price.”
ONE. MILLION. DOLLARS. 😂
The original list had been presented as wholesale pricing for orders of 100 sets or more. Now, according to the WhatsApp exchange, obtaining those prices apparently required a seven-figure order. One member had already asked:
“Do you have any magic beans for sale”
At this point, they might have been the more affordable option.
The Price List That Needed a Calculator
Kaine subsequently returned to the original minimum order:
“If you can get 100 boxes of individual products, I can give you the factory price”
A member explained that they weren’t demanding factory pricing for a single kit. They simply wanted transparency. Kaine responded:
“If you give me bulk orders, I’ll give you bulk prices. If your quantity is small, I’ll naturally offer you a higher price”
But the numbers still weren’t adding up. Members pointed out that R20 had originally been listed at 210 RMB, while the newer sheet showed 1,005 RMB, approximately 4.8 times the original price. When challenged, Kaine calculated that 210 RMB plus 40% was 294 RMB and confirmed the currency.
“i will buy for that price” came the immediate response.
One member wondered:
“Maybe Math works differently in China?”
Another joked that a country responsible for inventing the abacus might have upgraded mathematics without telling the rest of the world. 😂 Kaine also confirmed that the original 320 RMB R30 price required a minimum of 100 sets of the same product. At least that part was finally clear.
A Chance to Prove the Quality
One member proposed a straightforward deal:
“How about I’ll buy 50 kits of r30 at 320rmb and send it for testing”
“If it tests good I’ll buy another 150”
There was, however, one additional condition:
“Caveat I wanna see your face in this fancy factory with a spoon on the end of your nose via FaceTime” 😂
It was a potential 200-kit purchase, with the first 50 independently tested before committing to the remaining 150. Although the initial order fell below Kaine’s stated minimum, it offered an opportunity to demonstrate the quality he had repeatedly promised. Instead of directly accepting or rejecting the proposal, Kaine introduced a promotional deadline:
“Let me tell you, I’m doing this for promotion. After this National Day, my event won’t be anymore”
He repeated the warning:
“Bro, once our National Day in China ends, there won’t be this price anymore”
This prompted two questions:
“What promotion?”
And:
“So your wholesale price is a wholesale price and a promo at the same time, interesting”
The original prices were now being described as a temporary National Day promotion, something that hadn’t been explained when the lists were first circulated.
Nobody was disputing that larger orders should attract better prices. The problem was establishing what those prices actually were and which conditions applied.
K-Hole’s Verdict
Kaine also offered members a live video call from his factory, inviting everyone to witness his operation. The response?
“no thanks”
He urged members to trust China’s manufacturing capabilities, although the questions concerned his own pricing, testing documents and evidence of manufacturing. One member summarised the complaints:
“ridiculous pricing
blaming admin
COA for product not yours”
Followed by:
“damage already done”
Kaine replied:
“No one was hurt”
The response was immediate:
“Your reputation took a hit”
“Big time”
Meanwhile, the warehouse photograph he had supplied was attracting its own commentary:
“Peptides from B&Q” 😂
Someone had already predicted:
“Krysia writing an article right now.”
My response?
“as we speak.”
And here we are.
Two conflicting price lists, a reported million-dollar order requirement, questions about testing documentation, a last-minute promotional explanation and a proposed factory FaceTime involving a spoon.
K-Hole’s fastest vendor vetting turned into an unexpected lesson in how to confuse your potential customers before they’ve placed their first order. 😂
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